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lemon. is anybody out there surprised to hear president trump doesn't actually have tapes of his chats with james comey? anybody? anybody? buoler? don't think so. but was this a much bigger mistake than the president realizes? plus the man they're calling a human bruce springsteen steno. iron stash is running against paul ryan. and you'd think bill cosby would keep quiet in his indecent assault trial. let's get started right to the tale of the apes. here is discusses cnn presidential hirltsen yans. he is the author of the rightful heritage. franklin d. roosevelt and land of america. david bergen and political commentator david swerdlick. thank you for coming on many david gergen. you first the president was on fox news tonight. let's listen.

>> robert mueller do you think he should rekuz himself from this because he is good friends with james come withy, hired some attorneys part of hillary clinton's foundation given pollone to president obama and hillary clinton campaign. >> well he is very, very good friends with comey, which is very bothersome. but he is also -- we'll have to see. we'll have to see in terms -- look, there has been no obstruction. there has been no collusion. there has been leaking by comey. but there's been no collusion, no obstruction and virtually everybody agrees to that. so we'll have to see. i can say that the people that have been hired are all hillary clinton supporters. >> so david gergen, he has declared himself innocent should the special counsel stop now. >> no but i think you can tell he is ramping up in a which -- he is trying to discredit mueller so that if if in fact the mueller and the special

counsel finds or has been obstruction or if he finds there has been collusion, the president is going to declare that fake news. fake findings. you know done by a bunch of democrats. he is muddying the water in such a way is that either way he wins if they exonerate he wins if they find there are there are issues ought to be taken to the congress with regard to the president he is going to call it fake. you know a lot of the supporters based on the past are going to agree with him. >> david i have to ask you what's he laying the groundwork for is he behinding something maybe mueller might be out of a job soon. >> yeah he wants to sort of bloody mueller up and doing it in a way he thinks is subtle there. the problem for the president, don, is that when mueller was first appointed as special counsel most prominent republicans praised him. the problem is he was appointed by president trump's own justice department. and director mueller, he has a stellar reputation having served

12 years as the fbi director. the idea that now the president is going to sort of come in here and suggest that, well, he is in the polk ever democrats even though as others have pointed out president trump himself has on many occasions contributed money to democrats over the course of his krer it doesn't seem like it's washing very well. >> i want to move on quickly can you guys does this bother you him saying that is that concerning to you. >> very concerning. it means he is going to gut mueller in the end. the question is will republican senators go along with that? will corker and thune and flake and allow him to -- to bate up on mueller like that. >> it would be a zpafrt if he fired mueller or tried to through the justice department. >> yeah. let's turn to the tapes. the other news of the day. here is how the -- it's all gone down. first there was this tweet from the president. on may 12th. he says here on may 12th james comey better hope there are no tapes of the conversations before he starts leaking to the press. then there was this moment from

comey, comey hearing and that was on june 8th. watch this. >> i very carefully chose the words. and look i -- i've seen the tweet about tapes. lordy, i hope there are tapes. >> then this today. the president tweet wg all of the recently reported electronic surveillance intercepts unof course mag illegal leaking of information i have no idea whether there are tapes or recordings of my conversation was james comey. but i did not make and do not have any such recordings. we have lost, doug, 40 days, right. and 40 days that have damaged the trump presidency and cast down on his personal credibility as well. >> and it's -- it makes me ill. i mean we have soldiers fighting abroad right now process. you have a president jerking the american people around like this on the idea of dangling the tapes that didn't exist in front of us. it's a manufacture of a skound ral i think. the behavior of the president has to be -- we no he

republicans don't like it this is not any way to run a country. the world's got to be scratching their heads and lafrg at us. >> would you define the last 40 days at self-sabotage. >> of course if it hadn't been for his tweet it's unlikely that james comey would have leaked his memos. i want to add one more thing which is the importance of credibility. we are still the only superpower in the world. we have the most powerful nuclear arsenal. and we have a president of the united states who doesn't care if he makes things up. that undermines our ability to send signals to our adversaries and our friends alike. this is real business. this is serious business. and our president in the way in which he dealt with the tapes matter for 40 days wasn't taking his job seriously. period. >> i want to hear from david gergen it has been one republican said the president has been amused by this and all

that has been made of it. what do you think. >> i agree with much of what has been said. i've reached the stage of feeling like you know yes there's been a lot of self-sabotage. but there have been four special elections in the last 40 days too. and there have been all the assaults on the president, the democrats have gone zero for four which means that all in conversation we've been having hasn't moved a lot of the voters who were with him to start with. and i think the question becomes how do we begin to have a conversation on television which -- and in which we we can listen to each other and i think in some ways persuade the -- the trump supporters that those of us who are often critical of the president are not doing just because we want to pri him down. that's not the point. it's just he is failing to meet the standards so often that we set for presidents. and that's days aping and concerning and can be dangerous. and but i -- i don't know how we got get don to place where he

did -- every night we pick up and throe stones at the president and think that's solving the problems. >> we have to see what the mueller report says that's the big moment for our country. >> doesn't you think it's incumbent on the president of the united states -- it starts at the top because the president is the one -- he starts by saying you know the media is fake, they're terrible people liars don't believe anything they say and on and on and on. and then he is discredits the intelligence agencies and he discredits the former fbi director. and anyone who says that this should be investigated. anyone who says that there was actually tampering with the election that russia tampered with the election even though most of the intelligence agencies say they did. he says it's fake news. shouldn't that start with the president of the united states. >> yes but you're expecting him to understand the rules of public administration. this man has never, ever worked for a public organization. he has never been held to that standard, never had to be in a transparent situation. he has no desire to learn how to

do it. and he has shone us -- he is not interested in playing by the rules. the question is whether the other people in government in the other branchs of government are going to continue to allow him to break the rules. >> if he is interested -- you said by not playing by the rules let's be honest he is also interested in telling the truth because melania trump of what he says about the investigation and even beyond even creating jobs we did a fact check -- david, it's simply not the truth. so you know to david gergen's point, you know we said on television how do we reach the trump voter? i don't know unless you want to start not telling the truth or not giving the reality of what's actually happening. >> yes so if you take something very specific like the tweets about the supposed tapes, i think it's incumbent upon us as journalists to call out where the president is either wasting time as douglas said or digitering with the american people. you have a situation where

unless there is some strategy that is later revealed about why the president tweeted by the tapes what you're left with is the sense it's just a little bit of nonsense, right nothing about james comey says that he can be be bluffed -- whether you like him or not that he can be bluffed or pushed off his stance. so why the president thought that he could do that to director comey is a little bit baffling. if you panned it out though a little bit and think about what david gergen said a moment ago, i agree, the president's approval rating haves never gone lower than 35 never higher than 45 since inauguration day which suggests to me on the one hand he is not losing a lot of supports but also not gaining a lot of support. and you know we're sort of hardening into camps into the country and we got to find to way to have a a little bit of better dialogue. >> david gergen i'll give you the last point since we were discussing what you were saying. >> at the same time we got to hold him accountable when he has big issues before us that are important to people's lives like the health care bill. of all the things that have been

happening in the last 24 hours, the idea that the united states might actually take money away from poor people, taik away health care and turn it into dollars and give it to the richest people in the country, in a country always has terrible inequality, i find that stunning. i don't know -- don, we're at a point we don't know whether to talk about the president and all the tweets and all the this craziness or talk about the substance and how it may really affect the people voting for him. >> i get your point i think a lot of in is a distraction we have to discuss it it is the president of the united states and the tapes are important, especially if you look at the history of tapes and watergate. but you're right, this health care bill is just as important and this may be a distraction to get people not to talk about it so that they can sneak it through under the cover of darkness. thank you i appreciate that. when he come back the union iron worker who wants paul ryan's job. >> i think it's time let's trade places paul ryan you can work the iron and i'll go to d.c.

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congress against paul ryan. >> i decided to run for office because not everybody is seated at the table. and it's time to make a bigger table. i'm the best person to represent this district because i'm a working person. if somebody falls behind and we're so much stronger if we carried them with us. that's the way i was raised. you look out for each other. i think it's time -- let's trade places paul ryan you can come work the iron and i'll go to d.c. >> joining me now is old iron stash himself randy bryce welcome to the program. >> thank you, don. great to be here. >> okay so listen you're a father. an army veteran, iron worker, cancer survivor. why do you want to -- why do you want paul reason's jobs why do you want to challenge him? >> because paul ryan's been in about 18 years. i've been working iron for like 20 years. and i just compare what's going

on. i can drive around the district and i can point to think i literally built. i built our community with my hands. and i look at what paul ryan has brought to the community. anise jobs leaving. we have a plant being taken away, good paying auto making jobs uaw plant down in kenosha being torn down a huge facility in janesville sitting there and just recently some of the best paying job in waukesha headed towards canada. >> are you really serious about this, randy? >> absolutely. i'm dead serious. it's been 600 days since paul ryan been seen in a district. he's seen there is breaking news alerts. the people have had enough. we want to be heard what's you know -- our concerns, what problems we're facing trying to raise families. it's ridiculous that paul ryan hasn't been in the area. we had to borrow representative

mark to come from a neighbors district to tell us how this health care bill that they're trying to push through is going to affect us. >> i want to watch part of the campaign ad. a and it's particularly poignant today. here it is. >> this is repealing and replacing obamacare. everybody doesn't get what they want. >> it's a very painful condition. it's like hot knives going through. and you can't talk. you can't swallow. it's terrible. i feel like i'm going to cry. i'm on 20 drugs. and if i don't take the one, that costs thousands of dollars. i don't know what would happen. >> randy tell us about your mom. >> she is lucky one of the lucky ones. even having ms, that can be debilitating at times she is one of the lucky ones bus she has insurance, because she is lucky that my dad had insurance.

and my tad by the way has alzheimer's. he is? assisted living. without the independence that the insurance brings her she can take medications she can visit him daily. it's horrible. it's a horrible medical condition she has. but she is a hero to me. and i wouldn't be here if it wasn't for her. and she is given me the strength. she has raised me to make sure that we look after each other. and i can't say enough good things about her. but like i said, she is lucky np she is lucky. >> we certainly wish her well. but you know this- everything is politicized. >> thank you. >> especially the health care bill. what do politicians in washington what don't they understand? >> well for one, i would paul ryan doesn't understand the first thing about what people in the first district need. they don't understand that we're working harder and we're getting less. and -- and i mean this last health care bill that paul ryan

tried pushing it didn't even look -- when you're looking at it it didn't even really have the feel of any health care. it's not providing. it's not helping anybody. it's a tax break bill disguised as something that they want to portray as having to do with health. >> what's your next step? because you announced the candidacy on sunday. . then five days later here you are. >> right. >> you have run and lost in state and local races before. >> right. and i think you're going to see the reason why the losses took place when you see the new districts that are redrawn due to the gerry mannereding case going no front of the supreme court. >> go on. >> that's -- i'm sorry i was going to say that those races that vifen me a lot of experience. and i think what i've learned has been shown by the way the campaign has taken off. >> we have you -- you know, under the kiern chiern this is

iron stash pfrp here is writer says. you have genetically mfrmt he says randy bryce is running geps paul ryan is 2018. he was genetically engineered from bruce springsteen's songs could your twitter handle iron stash be his next hit? do you think? >> well, what american worker doesn't love bruce springsteen? the boss rocks. >> that's a nice stash. tell us what happens is there some special condition? >> well, yoept to give away the secret map maybe come election time as part of the celebration i'll be happy to share the secret so i'd invite everybody to come and watch the election results in november of 2018. >> thank you for joining us. i fresht it and pest of luck to your mother give her our regards. >> thank you very much for having me thank you very much. >> as we come back if the democratic party in crisis why

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house minority leader nancy pelosi has a popularity problem. but is she really to blame for the disarray in the democratic party? or is she a scapegoat? let's discuss now cnn politicking commentator. hello good evening. to all of you about a kari you first. i'm sure you guys sauts in good evening brother. i love that. last night i had represent testify tim ryan on and this is what he told me. >> you think nancy pelosi is more toxic than donald trump? >> you know what, the honest answer is in some areas of the country yes she is that's the honest answer. >> why so. >> i just think, first, as unfair tass there have been a lot of people spent a lot of people running negative adds against her. and i think that in certain areas like in some of these special election districts it doesn't benefit our candidates to be tied to her. >> is that accurate?

>> no, i don't think it's accurate accurate and i don't think tim ryan is the answer by any stretch. >> do you think he is a hater a little bit. >> regardless of whether or not. >> because he ran against mere and lost. >> it's very difficult to blame nancy pelosi for losses the democrats str in kansas, montana wg south carolina and georgia. the fact is that we need to to win 24 seats to take back the house and there is 71 seats bluer than that is in georgia sixth and even in south carolina we made up a lot of ground, don. i do believe that we are -- i want to throw the baby out with the bath water. the answer ises nuanced we have a leadership crisis aba messaging crisis in the democratic party. our leadership frankly is steal. whether or not you're talking about nancy pelosi por bernie sander okay chum chumer or. it's hard to be a party for change when you don't have change at the top when it looks like the status quo.

that is my concern. >> but isn't that -- aren't you guys saying the same thing. >> i don't believe we're saying the same thing he is cast gaiting and throwing proclaim in my people treating about the victories nancy pelosi they want to back the bus up over nancy. >> i just happened to run into her at an event in new york city just tonight p for a second he said the same thing people forget all the good things. >> you would not have -- the you would not have the affordable care act right now without the strength of -- many others duh but particularly without the strength of nancy pelosi. >> deanna what do you think. >> nba draft was tonight and we should take a message from that. the teams losing wanted to draft players that can help them win. and it is just as simple as that. if the nba can do that every year they don't wait every four yearser decade. they assess every year. and getting new players on the filed doesn't take away from what players have done in the past or legacy players. but what it does say that if the nba can do that just to ib teams

to win a trophy we as democrats have to do a real assessment a real autopsy and to determine whether or not we are going to start to win so that we can push policies that really help the american people. i mean we got a lot more trophies on the line here. we got medicare for all on the line. social justice and environmental justice, whole bunch of stuff is on the line for every day working americans in this country. we got to do something different and we got to do better. and not having the willingness to assess that and have honest conversation about that and then do something differently that gets us that. einsteinen defined. it's called designate. >> i have to ask you, van, you worked if the obama administration. my question to you is because now people say the republican party is the trump party. there is probably lots of blame to go around. but did -- the obama coalition that was built was built around president obama and not necessarily around democrats. was there a false sense of security among democrats?

and did the obama folks leave any oxygen in the room for anybody else. >> naes a complicated answer. question. let me say a couple of things. first of all with regard to nancy pelosi, we have a broken democratic party. but one of the few things in the party that works well is nancy pelosi. her job is to raise money and keep the democrats together in the house. and she's been doing that. i don't think she is the problem with the party. there is about a thousand problems. i wouldn't put her on the list. >> what's the problem. >> listen, of course. we talked about the krietsds in message and leadership is not about one person. >> exactly. >> she is doing -- technically on the books even by nina standard she is doing her job well. but there are a bunch of other jobs not being done well. i think there is actually a consultant class of people who are incompetent, tone deaf, who make ha ton of money, who are in the way. and so then as long as they're

there -- as long as you have the blanket over the party sucking up money be giving bad idea attention, putting up huge operations around computing that kind of stuff still can't tell you where to go what to do that's a bigger problem. with the regard to your question about the obama years. i think the party got very happy and very lazy having such an extraordinary figure at the top and did not pay attention to the thousand plus people who lost positions throughout the country. that is a problem we have to turn our attention to now. but to me it is bizarre a out of you will a the things in the party pick on nancy pelosi wle she is the one person doing her job. >> go ahead. >> and this nancy pelosi discussion is phenomenal. because it's not a question about the individual and whether or not she does her job well. i think we have to change the face of the democratic party because due to this -- let's look at this barack obama conversation. democrats do well when we have the jfk's bill clinton wg be barack obama. >> the figure. >> the historic figures even

more importantly i don't want -- and i don't want to minimucep w can talk about joe biden and elizabeth warren we can have a people's march and talk about bernie sanders but this is barack obama's party mp the coalition he had has been the core of the exactic party a long time. the core is african-american women. that is how we win. we lost this election in 2016 -- 2016 because african-american voters, the turn out of african-american voters compared to 2008 and 2012 went down in sever swing state in georgia sixth, african-american voters didn't turn out in south carolina 5 african voters did not turn out. we need to make sure not only are we getting more progressive not only are we quoting wliet working class voters but we are not taking the back bone of the party for granted and git gifting them. >> to that you say -- it's if the obama coalition nina i'm letting you get in. the obama coalition dnts turn

out on a the other side ran against nancy pelosi they didn't run against president obama. nina? >> and that doesn't mean -- i don't think there is a disagreement among the three of us. i don't personally believe that leader pelosi should be thrown under the wugs. what i am saying about the nba and algae is that frerk doesn't always mean young it means at a certain point a certain time people have to make a different play. and that is what we are facing. that is what the democratic party is facing. and the point about african-american women being the back bone of the democratic party. you doing gone right african-american women are. but what have african-american women gotten for themselves and their families. this country has never been an african-american women sv as country in the history of the country. when you have leader sfacy abrahams of georgia push going trying to be not just the nominee but to win. win is the democratic party

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this is the last thing you'd expect from bill cosby. just days after his trial on aggravated indecent assault charges and a hung jury. he is planning a series of townhalls to educate people about sexual assault. really? listen to his spokeman. >> we are now planning on townhalls. >> really. >> we're talking to the city sometime in july.

>> a townhall just talk with people. >> talk to young people. because this is bigger than bill cosby. you know this issue can affect any young person, especially the young athletes of today. they need to know what they're facing when hanging out and partying, when they're doing certain things they shouldn't be doing. it affects married men. >> here to discuss now gloria allred. cnn analyst mark is joining us by phone because of technical issues. thank you for joining us gloria you first. i know you you have strong feeling base the townhall idea. please sflan. >> i do. this idea of a townhall or a workshop and that i read was to talk about potentially false allegations against men, false allegations of rape or sexual assault to help them to be educated about this. i think it's just a transparent and a slick effort to try to

have an impact on the potential jury pool for his second criminal trial. the prosecutor, don, has announced that he is going to retry bill cosby. on the three felony counts against him, aggravated, indecent assault. so perhaps what he is trying to do is create a kriemt of opinion to potentially contaminate that jury pool or to influence them depending on your point of view. >> yeah. >> so if they're selected they will decide that somehow the charges against him are false allegations. >> well. >> and i'm sure the prosecutor would not file allegations unless he believed there was probable cause to believe they were true. >> well i want to bring in mark to glory yaes point the because the month gomry district attorney has announced he will refile the charges which means another trial. from a defense attorneys perspective is that a smart idea what his spokesperson announced.

>> well is it something i'd recommend? never. not at this point, for the on a day when one of the jurors is at least reportedly saying that the split was 5 to 7 or 7 to five on the counts. more importantly there is two other things going on here what they're fighting against. you have to understand gloria is there and is an advocate for people accusing cosby. she has been out there, doing all kinds of media. and so there is an argument that she -- she and the others have sbn polluting the jury pool, that by them doing press conferences, kind of ratcheting the media that that in effect has ha negative fekt affect on him. number two when the prosecutor comes out and the prosecutor says before he has talked to the jurors, before the prosecutor even new what the split was -- because until today it had been variously reported as 10-2

versus five to seven or seven to five. the prosecutor has a duty to investigate and decide you know harkening back to what gloria just said they've got a duty to not just believe that there is probable cause but they're supposed to ethically feel that they can get a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt. if there had not been any investigation as to what the jurors thought or what they were fighting over or whether or not they believed ms. constand there is ethical challenges by the prosecutor. and this is not necessarily going to a retrail. judge has to make a decision they can do a motion to dismiss in the interests of justice and the judge is the one who makes that decision. that's not to say. >> wait a minute. >> go ahead, gloria. >> first of all the judge -- i was there at the trial -- indicated to the jurors in that first criminal trial that they were not to discuss

deliberations or how others voted after they were released from their jury service. >> let me put -- because the -- i'm going to play the jurors sound bite. >> let me finish. >> let me finish. >> gloria i want you to finish i just want to play the jurors. >> i don't talk other me i want to. >> gloriy i'm putting the sound bite so i can help you make your point. >> okay go ahead. >> here the juror. >> it was hopeless. it was -- from the first time on. the statute of limitations were uning out. >> did that really bother you? >> yes, it does. i think they created this whole thing, a case settled in '05 and we had to bring it up in '17. >> the reason i interrupted you i wanted to play that before we ran out of time because you were talking about the juror go on. >> i'm sorry, don, i thought it was mark. >> i'm sorry. >> you can interrupt me any time you want. >> that's fine. >> let me just say, i think the

juror is a bit confused. because the allegation was the subject of a civil lawsuit. it was settled. but there was no criminal prosecution until now. but the law allows -- in other words, the statute of limitations which is the arbitrary time period set by law does allow a prosecution any time within that 12-year period in pennsylvania. and the fact that there may be a civil settlement does not mean that there cannot be a criminal case as well. i've been involved in many cases in which there have been both. >> okay. so now we're out of time that's why i wanted get that in mark that's going to have the last word. i'm sorry. when we come back the story of these twins. look at them. joined at the head at birth. the extraordinary surgeons who separated them join me next. ls are taught you're not supposed to do.

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tomorrow night cnn has a dramatic story of 13-month-old conjoined twice and the two world class surgeons who separated them dr. sanjay gupta reports. >> just hours after the incision

we check in with the family it's 5:00 p.m. >> what's waiting in my stomach is for that phone call. we're into -- i called it the lan of the unknown, into the area we don't are we separated today or are we not? around 10:00 p.m. 12 hours since the operation started doctors hit that land of the unknown. >> so i was at a point that i was wondering whether we were going to lose both kids. good rich has to stop. >> don't do that. the reason why you'll tear these guys. >> the dream of separating the boys is about to end. >> joining me now is dr. james good rich the director of pediatric at dr. oren temp tepper thank you doctors for

joining us. >> at that point good good rich you had to stop. to have to stop at such a critical point it must have been frustrating were your nerves rattled what were you thing. >> we were rattled as the procedure had gone forward we were changing the blood supply and the direction it became more complicated we had to sit back a reassets and work with the neuroradiology teams. >> this was the critical one there were several surgeries before. >> yes. >> dr. tepper you're a crane owe facial surgeon right you specialize in skull reconstruction. we have model here you guys brought. let me show the viewer what it is before you this is their -- you can see the faces here this is how they were connected one face here. and the other side. there is another face and they were connected here. and there is the brain connected together. so show us what did you have to do? because you had to make sure they had two complete skulls two whole skulls once complete correct. >> these models became helpful

in the plan we had these through the different stages but when dr. good rich was to able to make the separation final process job of the plastic surgeon to get things covered. we need to cover the bone as well as the scalp. if you look at the model here what we're able to use is the bone we had to go through to access. >> go ahead. >> the aires of division. but we had techniques to be able to split that divide that and create enough bone to use for both clirn gloo right. >> then for skap. scalp it's dangerous to leave brain exposed as you see. way we did over the course of the previous surgeries we inserted tissue expanders or ballooned that we ballooned up that essentially gave us enough school. to cover the clirn. >> you had to make sure the tissue, the nerves, everything connected and worked after surgery right but we understand one of the twins had a problem with his right arm, correct. >> actually both did when we woke up because this area where

conjoined which you see here we had -- had -- we had to split through the brain so one child had a hemi pleejia on the other side other side had one on the opposite side. interesting now nine nonts later both kids are moving both arms well. >> both of them had -- look at this look the video. there is new video of them -- of him you can see i think this is anighs. >> using his arm you said they were both using arms. >> correct. >> everything is working. >> everything is working. pretty amazing. >> how do you feel? >> it was an incredible experience being a part of this. and fortunately these two boys survived. and the parents of two healthy who should live a normal life. >> this is -- this is pretty technical. is this the biggest one of the biggest surgeries you've had to perform. >> certainly of my career. >> we've been through now seven

sets we've separated, 28 operations. all of them are fairly unique. what was difficult with them was the amount of conjoined brain and the vast clarity, the replevin us splooi we had to get it. >> the mom's name is nick open. the first time she held them after the surgery. watch this. >> meanwhile four days after the operation, jayden wakes up. he is ready for something his parents had only dreamed of. he can be picked up you and cuddled for the first time it's as if nicole sees him for the first time. >> as a mother you know when you hold your child you know every bit of their face. well his face also encompassed

aniases it was my first moment of relearning his face. when he looked up at me the first time that way and i got to see that he was reassured and he was comforted in my arms which was something i was scared of. i was scared he didn't want to be held because they had never been held and he melted in and it was wonderful. >> what did you think what was that like. >> well we saw the parents so many times before surgery. and it's one of the things you take for granted. but the family -- they had a system of bringing both boys in and putting them on the exam table and turning and twisting et cetera. it seemed to trifl to everyone else to be able to holed your child individually. for i don't mean mom to bring jayden over like that and hand him over it was incredibly powerful. >> what about due dr. good rich. >> been through it a number of times it's the moment without

exception that that opportunity to be able to pick up and hold them as two separate kids -- it's an emotional moment. >> yeah does everyone get a little misty. >> i think so yes. >> including the doctors. >> including the doctors. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. >> it's a pressure thank you for what you do. we appreciate it. >> we'll we've been talking about we're going surfing together. cnn special report separated, saving the twins airs tomorrow night at 10:00. make sure you tune in. we'll be right back.

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